Outline of Edwards Arguments in part V.I Arminians say if something causally predetermines our choices, we are not responsible. But responsibility is not the cause of choices, it’s in the nature of choices If responsibility is in the cause of choices, we search through an infinite regression of causes, and nothing is ever responsible. My Response Point 1 is close, but not quite accurate. While our actions can be predetermined, our choices cannot be. Choice cannot be predetermined, else it’s not choice. Predeterminism leave us with only one possible action, but choice requires alternatives (i.e. more than one). A “predetermined choice” is self-contradictory, implying we can choose something we can’t choose. So we think Calvinists are inconsistent for saying we can choose. Also, Arminians agree that we are responsible for our choices. Even though we deny we are responsible for things we are causally predetermined to do, we are not saying responsibility lies in the cause of choices,...
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Would you be of help please - maybe directing me to some posts re: dealing with the common argument from beloved C brethren about fallen man inability to choose, for to choose there should be intristic good in him,etc, you know how it goes
I think i've exausted all the arguments i had.
You have touched the subject many times and recently in a debate with TJ, but in case there are other things you would recommend to read.
Thank you,
Odeliya.
Here's a few links off the top of my head:
http://www.arminianchronicles.com/2007/12/recap-of-debate-on-forced-grace.html
http://www.arminianchronicles.com/2008/05/edwards-on-impeccability-and-hardening.html
http://www.arminianchronicles.com/2008/10/intro-to-whitby-on-grace-section-3.html
If you have something more specific in mind, I would be happy to address it.
God be with you,
Dan
Seems like that is precisely what i am asking about. If i have questions further on while reading i will surely take advantage of your kind offer and will ask. I need to read a bit more on a few topics..
on a side note, I am getting dissapointed with heated forum debates and did cut down on those. Maybe its not the best way to learn after all..
I am not complaining about certain roughness people show,I gladly forgive that, but rather lack of substance.
Blessings,
Odeliya.